並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/%E8%A8%AA%E8%AB%87ep3-%E7%89%99%E9%86%AB%E5%A6%82%E4%BD%95%E9%9D%A2%E5%B0%8D%E5%8F%A3%E8%87%AD%E7%9A%84%E7%97%85%E4%BA%BA-%E6%92%9E%E6%96%B7%E7%89%99%E9%BD%92%E6%80%8E%E9%BA%BC%E8%BE%A6/id1525405480?i=1000493844358